lets call a spade a spade...

they said this

A special mention of a gentleman called Prashant Baveja, who has been the "only" alumni on fire in Save DCE group @ FB. Man, when we learnt something...इंसानियत से विश्वास उठ गया! (one of his batch-mates contacted us). This guy was nominated, helped to great great extent by our VC Sir, because of which he sits in that foreign university. And still, guess why he is sending hate messages there??? His Father and Dr N. K. Bhagat were classmates @ Kurukshetra University!!!!!!!!!! So guys, he ain't helping you or advice you as an alumni, he is just helping Bhagat Uncle! You suck Mr Baweja! You are as shameless and pathetic a person as there can be, AND WE HAD TO EXPOSE YOU! There are forces at work, that have nothing to do with DTU; all kinds of people with past grudges are using this opportunity to settle their score with this Individual, Prof. PBS, who has always gone completely out of the way to support and help students throughout his tenure (of course, he is less supportive of the current lot, who take a sick, sadistic pleasure in abusing him outside his residence!!).

to which I said this

i wasnt sure if i was going to write something in reply or not but here goes. true i was supported by the the now VC prof. PBS and I also know who the batchmate is who messaged you guys.

here is the thing though. I was one of the few guys and probably the only non topper who made it to the best optics program in the US on free ride (not just any foreign university as so stated). So yes if you all are propagators of facts then know this, not many people liked me for what I achieved and they always thought I never deserved it. To such bigots I have nothing to say
I know the decision on this agitation has been taken. I have had the opportunity to work with one of the greatest expert in my
area and I will have a standing in the global academic circles in the future. rest assured i will continue to denounce DTU and what it stands for with all the power and influence i have and ever will have. It will have nothing to do with my familys association with Sh. N.k. bhagat. i will do it for i denounce one mans greed and corruption in the strongest terms and the fruit that comes from it will be punished by me all I can. I know that man is corrupt for i worked closely with him and unfortunately that singular fact itself takes away my credibility. you talk about instances of corruption has ever a single drop of biodiesel be produced? all these assembled vehicles which go to competitions abroad do they even run? some best effort trophy won cause you were the only team from a third world country funded by money which comes from unscrupulous means hardly justifies itself as an excellence. even though i was closely associated with the principle i never got a single penny to present my work at any conference ( i attended three as an undergrad ) and the people with fake toys got all the money so yes i am bitter that such a man now has unsurmountable power over our esteemed institution. For me that man killed the DCE i so cherished and I will voice this sentiment till long after he is gone and everyone else associated with this agitation.

to which they said this.. (after three months mind you... It saddens me that this the intellectual extent of people backing DTU

Take 3: Prashant Baveja, Agitated Lier on Fire!


Yes Baveja Sir...let't talk. Sorry to keep you waiting...so where were we?

Thanks for accepting that you are a thankless maniac....when you accepted you were out of the way helped by PBS.
Good for you, Non Topper and still doing good. We are surprised you even passed dude :)
You will have a standing in Global Academic Circles in future: Hmn, you will not be able to achieve even the Shoelace of Prof PBS, whose shoes you were licking sometime ago. If you really want to know who is PBS, ask Prof. Agarwal....maybe he can open your eyes! (when was the last eye-test you did?)
You will have no power to do anything ever Baveja. All you can do is log on to facebook and spread lies and instigate innocent students, when you are not sending abusive message to us. And yeah, you will also dutifully do all that Bhagat Uncle tells you to do!!! BUZZZZ OFF.
Just how long have you been @ Rochester? You scumbag, you already declare your own country Third World? Your and your entire generation of scumbags originated here....Have some respect. We remain Third World because of Third Class citizens like you. Anyways, this is not a debate on National Pride.
I wish we could tell who we are Mr Baveja....and I assure you, you will be seen running to the Super-mart to fetch a bag of Adult Diapers if you knew. We are a strong group of Alumni's, much much senior than you and so well placed that you cannot even imagine, Prashant Sir. But then, we know you are sick....and we don't go around chasing someone because we did not get any funding to attend conferences during our college days!
Last but not the least, we feel it is high time people at Nonlinear Fiber Optics Group know you better. It will be done, we assure you.

this can be followed in detail here ---->

now that we have the facts in order, lets step by step deconstruct my motivations against DTU, what I am trying to say, and what motivates me to say so.. That is why the name of this post is lets call a spade a spade

1.) My academic credibility. SO first of all I am told I cannot even achieve the shoelace of what Prof. P.B. Sharma has achieved. Lets have a look at my shoelaces so as to speak.. I passed my undergrad from Delhi College of Engineering with 77% marks in aggregate (To the academic underachievers running that blogspot, that is first class with distinction). Based on my academic record I got into direct track PhD program at The Institute of Optics, University of Rochester where I completed my masters in optics with a GPA of 3.5/4.0 and have since been a part of Nonlinear Fiber Optics Group. I have Published 3 papers in Top Ten Journals of my area and 4 th is in the peer review process. They are all first author papers and my list of publications can be accessed here . I have given three contributed talks at well respected conferences in my area. On the academic extra-curricular front, I have received two separate travel grants from SPIE, 2006 SPIE student scholarship for outstanding future contribution to Optics and Photonics and 2010 guest scholarship from Swedish Institute for conducting doctoral studies in Sweden. And that is just the jist of it. I am currently 25 going on 26 and I will finish my Doctoral studies sometime next year. So as far as comparing shoelaces go, as they say here in america "Bring it on Bitches". I hope this explains who I am. I really dont need to go to my advisor to know who PBS is and I certainly need the owner of that blog to grow a pair and tell it to the world who they are and lets have their academic achievements on the table. For If I am B grade product of DCE, I would wanna know all the A grade over achieving SOBs behind that blog..


2.) I licked PBS shoelaces and I am a thankless bastard : Since we are calling a spade a spade here lets try to ascertain whose shoelaces I actually licked or whether I licked any shoelaces at all. I used to be a student researcher at Prof R.K. Sinhas lab at DCE and Prof P.B. Sharma was a patron of Prof. R. K. Sinha. Prof. R.K. Sinha as we all know is a leading researcher in our college and I was his student and Prof P.B. sharma had to patronize him to get into news papers that DCE is a world class hub of scientific research. So I never really licked his shoelaces in principle and I hope Prof Sinha will attest to that fact. So I have nothing to thank him for directly.. Whatever I have achieved in my life is because of the support I had with Prof. R.K. sinha and a host of other people such as Prof N.K Bhagat, Prof. Pragati Kumar, Mrs Rajeshwari Pandey and Prof Narendra Nath. At DCE Prof. R.K. Sinha gave me full access to the labs at DCE where I learnt the tricks of my trade. I am also thankful to him for buying all those expensive hard bound editions at the DCE library one of which was written by my current advisor and has given a direction to my life. I am also thankful to the Deptt of Applied Physics for being a second home to me when I was in DCE. So I am not a thankless bastard as is so eloquently put. Its just that I have different set of people to thank to


3.) My personal Credibility

Ohk now this one really hurts. Just because I know Sh. n.K bhagat who happens to be on the other side of the debate means that my opinions are influenced by him??

read this email i wrote about a year ago when DTU was announced

Prashant Baveja to presidentofind.
show details 7/25/09
Hon’ble President of India


I have no introduction. I am a nobody. I am amongst many young people today who still have to leave India in the quest of their intellectual pursuits. I am also an alumnus of Delhi college of engineering. The recent announcement that has been made to convert DCE to Delhi Technological University (DTU). To be very honest, this decision has come as a shock to me. It is clearly a cheap attempt by the person currently at the helm of the affairs to elongate his tenure and also make a boat load of money by offering a boatload of private college recognition under the aegis of DTU. What he does not understand that " Golden egg laying goose is not slaughtered for immediate returns" and yet this is what precisely he is doing. Delhi College of Engineering has a name and a brand in US. In top PhD/masters/MBA programs in US dominated by IITians, if you are likely to find a non IITian, he/she will be a DCEite. This reality will change very quickly once this change is implemented and we will be left defending our degrees.


Respected mam, I dont know If you will ever end up reading this mail. It is not even important. The more important thing is that our precious DCE be saved from this unending abyss.

regards
a concerned DCE alumnus who never knew what was happening

This was wayy before there was a formal student or faculty protest. I wrote this email independently and my opinions are independent of any influence by anybody. There are other movements out their by alumini which are garnering support and petition requests against DTU. Whatever reasons they have I couldnt care less. Neither I am aligned with the facebook movement. I am sympathetic to the cause of those who care to speak against DTU. The reason why I am against DTU are explained in the next point


4.) The reasons and rationale behind me being anti-DTU


a.) his blueprint of converting DCE to DTU was around even when I was there. However the motivation behind it was misplaced. Autonomy was always the motivation of the DCEites. But not at this price. For example there are 6 student teams involved in various projects and certain good amount of money is now being disbursed to them. What is the basis of this disbursement? are their performances reviewed? why the fake articles in news papers that teams won the competition whereas the best they do is win some best effort award. Do these kids actually build the circuits that go into these projects or 'assemble' them using evaluation boards?? who answers these questions?? when DCE was around there was some accountability.. now there is none..

b.) what about the famed bio-diesel project?? has even a single drop ever been produced?? the research here in US and europe on biodiesel has shifted from agricultural base to recycling frying oil for producing bio-diesel to make it a carbon neutral fuel. has our principal ever bothered to make those critical adjustments.. Biodiesel is no longer a subject of research in the west.. high school kids make it in their home here?? what is that humongous infrastructure in DCE attempting to do??


c.) The arbitrary manner in which faculty will now be recruited.. do you think it will improve DCE?? Hell no.. People from IITs with sub par masters academic record or below par publication track at PhD level will be hired as faculty and in fact are being hired.That is my beef.. this is not what DTU needs. increase the seats then hire sub par faculty to show DTU works whereas it is rotting internally


d.) I would have been okay with this change had a student referendum been held and all stakeholders, such as students, parents and alumini been involved, and online poll taken and then the decision were to be taken democratically. but rather it was taken arbitrarily. And arbitrarily how?? well known academicians of indian origin within and outside india were sent the blue-print of DTU and their comments sought. A few of those acadmicians happen to run in the same community as I belong to. They asked me, why is this guy trying to put DCE (ur school) against IIT to which I told them well he is a megalomaniac with an extreme messiah complex. Since DCE cant be converted into IIT he wants to position a new brand (brand DTU ) against IIT. A solid marketing plan, however with one fatal flaw (see the next comment)


e.)The motivation behind converting DCE to DTU was to introduce new courses and hire new faculty at a rapid rate. However reading behind those lines, one needs to ask the following questions---> are these courses even needed?? who needs geophysics in India?? or Engineering Physics when there are 100 s of IIT grads thronging the markets in these areas. Whats needed are expert telecommunications engineers, electronic materials and device engineers, Engineers specializing in renewable energy, A specialized program in energy policy wont hurt either, how about engineering ethics?? or scientific ethics (courses introduced in these directions would be positive). This misguided zeal of positioning brand DTU against brand IIT jeopardizes the future of 1000s of DTU students when they come out in the job market in 2013. They pay 50k and with their degrees from unknown DTU they are expected to compete against the strong alumini network of IITs. Do you seriously believe that all alumini back the DTU change?? Putting so many lives and futures at jeopardy in itself is an act of moral corruption in my eyes and In fact the reason why I am so outspoken. PBS has effectively drowned all these voices of dissent saying that these are all people with agenda against me. But sir please, I invite you in person to answer these questions.. You say you arent corrupt but placing the lives of 100s of student at stake without them even knowing, Isnt it an act of moral corruption?? as you lick the hoes of Sh vinod dham and take personal phone calls from Sh Raj soin, you have a moral obligation to answer these comments as well. And this is not like the time when parents ambushed you. I am putting my comments online on the world wide web under my name with my credibility on the line. So stop saying that I have an agenda or hiding behind some brain washed 20 year olds.., lets have a constructive debate one academic to another. And of course you have the choice to say that I am not worthy enough to answer to but well refer to my first comment.. time and history will tell who Is worth and who is not.

5.) facts vs fiction vs counter facts---->

MYTH: No permission from the DU to convert a Central Govt Institute into a State University.
FACT: DCE was always a State Govt Institute "affiliated" to DU. There is no permission required by law to seek consent of a affiliating University.
This is true.. NO permission from DU was required. But what about other stakeholders. Alumini, parents, children. Surely if the plan to form DTU was around for such a long time, a all party consensus or a referendum or debate could have been done before a change was put into effect. why this pomp and show of involving parents as an after effect when all you want is to tell them that whats done is done. control your kids or else..

MYTH: a DCE degree which had a value, now sold to local polytechnic institutes under DTU!!!!
FACT: DTU is a non-affiliating University. It cannot give affiliation to outside institutes. THERE IS NO AFFILIATION PLANNED NOR APPROVED.

Okay no affiliation is planned but would it not take a simple amendment in the DTU act 2 years from now to grant such a status. HOw can the owners of this blogspot operation claim that something like this will not happen five years from now when DTU kids are actually on the chopping block. and lets talk about distance learning and online education.. what about that one?? with all the EDUSAT infrastructure in place isnt that going to happen. so instead of giving BE exams people withmoney can pay sit at home and get DTU degrees (which actually will be DTU (formerly DCE degree) how can alumni sit idle and not voice their concerns about this??

MYTH: CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION, CORRUPTION ...
FACT: Not a single financial irregularity has been reported/found in the last 20 years!! It's a government institute where independent audit is done every year! Just writing in CAPITAL does not make any case.

See my assertion about moral corruption and how this harms kids who will graduate in 2013. and the moral corruption on the part of owners of the savedceisamyth blogspot operation. The fact that that website isnt even linked to the main DTU website reeks of shady nature of the entire operation and the veracity of their claims.

MYTH: BRAND DCE gone!!!! DTU blacklisted from all PSUs and many top notch companies!!!!!
FACT: Every single official document of DTU clearly mentions (formerly Delhi College of Engineering). This was added inspite of pressure to not have it there. It is there precisely to preserve the brand name. There is no official proof for blacklisting! It is all a hearsay spread by the Student leaders....Soon letters of support from companies will be published by PSU's!


PSUs hmm so mr PBs decides that hence forth all kids from DTU will go join a PSU. what about private companies and higher education abroad. I know a thing or two about how admission committees work (my roommate served in one of them) He categorically states that unless your application and transcripts bear the mark of a known institute your packets arent even opened. and this has been confirmed to me by high ranking university officials. So basically one man has decided the fate of 100s of DTU kids. Go work for PSUs. this is against the tenets of individualism that I strongly believe in

MYTH: The man behind this move is HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED who has been granted an extension on his retirement.
FACT: We name him, Prof. P B Sharma, the man who made DCE what it is now through his selfless service of 20 years. Right from introducing a world class entrance exam (CEE) to moving the campus from Kashmere Gate to Present, promoting professional student chapters, funding research and innovation...this man has devoted his life to make DCE a world class institute.

Is DCE really a world class institute?? lets examine this claim in detail. what is a world class institution?? Let pick up the example of harvard university. Everyone would agree that harvard is a world class university. EVEN our shri PBS says so. lets look at their website. www.harvard.edu and lets compare it to www.dce.edu. front page of DTU website(note the domain name) has shri PBSs photo on it. harvard website has some news let about academic achievements and associated graphic and is updated everyday. DTU website also has some pics about an optical spectrum analyzer, some old ass optical setup and a solitary junk piece of a microscope. not exactly a world class institute.. but that cosmetic difference aside, lets delve deeper. harvard gives a start up fund of $200k to $1.2 Millions an an average to every new faculty to set up an experimental laboratory. Doe DCE have such funds? or will they offer it to incoming faculty members? hiring of PhD students world class institutes like harvard hire PhD students through their masters program or direct track PhD students. In India the system is that you get hired on the basis of your gate scores. Which is all fine and dandy but the process is archaic and involves students being interviewed by a board and then assigned or hired by a department. what happens to them after they enter a deptt is unknown.. do they have a choice of advisors?? that system is not transparent.. that was the case with DCE.. will it imrove with DTU?? number of experimentalists, fabrication work, collaborative PhD students I can draw a pretty elaborate list. Just because students of a institute are endorsed by a PSU or make fancy toys dont make an institute a world class one. DCE has languished at no 9 for so many years and DTU will langiush there for the next few years till real DTU kids come out and we will know the reality then

MYTH: 21!!!! TWENTY ONE cases of frauds against the man – who will not make his publications PUBLIC
FACT: Not cases, allegations. All of them were proven false....you people love RTI's right? Go and file an RTI seeking the result of inquiry committee for RGTU (M.P). NOTHING WAS PROVEN AND HE WAS ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES.




MYTH: P B Sharma is political and support Education Mafia.
FACT: P B Sharma got into controversy in Bhopal only for this: OPPOSING AND NOT BUDGING TO EDUCATION MAFIA! We are here for facts, and the fact is that because of his efforts M.P institutes saw policies implemented which prevented private colleges from taking money for admission, a Common Admission System was implemented by Prof Sharma which led to the entire controversy. THE VICTORY IS: THE SYSTEM IS STILL IN PLACE AND FINALLY LAW CAUGHT UP WITH THE MAFIA AND THEY HAVE BEEN DISMANTLED AND NEUTRALIZED.


6.) So why do this???


The reason why I started writing in the first place against DTU so openly was follows. When I first made some comments in the facebook against DTU, I was sent abusive chat by some of the community members in that group. They identified themselves as the members of save DTU community. When this whole faracass started, there were others like me too but obviously, they too were abused and chose not to pursue this further. With me, It became so bad that I had to quit facebook for a few months. And then I realized WTF. I just voiced my opinion and this is a regard they have for accomplished alumni I wonder how they might be threatening students on campus. I cam back online and I have written vociferously about the cause since..

lets examine the credibility of those who run this blogspot. They obviously are either current students or some alumini. And a greater section of these students are those who will get DCE degree so they cannot care less(it is to be noted that first bacth of DTU students was admitted only last year and they wont be in the job market till 2013) So it is comprised of mostly current DCE student who have the degrees that they need, and only care about references from PBS which tides them in the job market. If courts can question the locus standi of the petitioners, I question the standing of the blogspot operaters?? how can they claim to be the torchbearers of truth when they themselves have no standing or stake in this matter. they themselves are C-graded selfish SOB of human beings..


These are the final words I have to say to the matter. I will post this link to the comments section of the myth blog as well as on facebook. with that I am done.. I stand by what I said, I will denounce DTU with all my might but the thing is my might isnt even needed.. nobody knows what DTU is. Writing formerly DCE wont help. outside india people wont care less and Inside india well time will tell but yes DCE i Know and cherish no longer exists..